[Context: https://www.hexstream.net/#15_march_2019] Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 13:12:07 -0400 Subject: Wrongful deletion led to batshit insane situation and now I'm banned for 1000 years for no reason. From: Jean-Philippe Paradis To: ops@derpibooru.org Hello. Username: Hexstream Ban ID: [redacted] 1. https://www.hexstream.net/#13_october_2018 2. https://www.hexstream.net/#19_october_2018 This situation is simply batshit insane. I would be entirely satisfied with: 1. Restore https://derpibooru.org/1854136 which clearly should never have been deleted in the first place; 2. Unban me, since I was banned pretty much as a direct consequence of the initial wrongful deletion and then the batshit insane insistence on upholding the mistake no matter what. byte[] himself said that my initial image broke no rules... (See the posts I linked for all details.) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 20:18:16 +0200 Subject: Re: Wrongful deletion led to batshit insane situation and now I'm banned for 1000 years for no reason. From: The Smiling Pony To: Jean-Philippe Paradis , ops@derpibooru.org "Batshit insane" is certainly an appropriate qualifier for this, though I get the impression you don't realize why. In any case, if you want satisfaction google "Benny Benassi"; you're certainly not going to get any here. Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 03:32:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Wrongful deletion led to batshit insane situation and now I'm banned for 1000 years for no reason. From: Jean-Philippe Paradis To: TheSmilingPony@derpibooru.org Cc: ops@derpibooru.org So ALL of your "appeal" processes are a total scam, aren't they? I'm actually impressed that I wasn't screwed over by a cowardly little shit lurking in the shadows this time, unlike ALL of your other user-hostile, corruption-friendly policies and processes. Your rules page sounds super nice but it does not actually reflect reality, as soon as anyone on the Derpibooru team is involved. Again, the rules DO apply to the Derpibooru team also, don't they? Whenever an admin deletes an image, they should be proud of their work and therefore, their username should obviously be publicly visible. This would obviously encourage great work and discourage sloppy work. If an admin wants to delete an image but don't want their name associated with the deletion, then obviously they should NOT do the deletion. Complete lack of transparency encourages bad behavior and leads to bad outcomes. I'm astounded that any of this even needs to be explained. Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 14:25:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Wrongful deletion led to batshit insane situation and now I'm banned for 1000 years for no reason. From: Joey To: Jean-Philippe Paradis , TheSmilingPony@derpibooru.org Cc: ops@derpibooru.org Thank you for your feedback, we will take that into consideration. Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 05:07:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Wrongful deletion led to batshit insane situation and now I'm banned for 1000 years for no reason. From: Jean-Philippe Paradis To: joey@derpibooru.org Cc: Alex Millican , ops@derpibooru.org Sure, just like all my feedback has been "taken into consideration" thus far. (As in, immediately thrown into the trash pile without a second thought.) Thanks for banning me from the Derpibooru Discord for refusing your bribe, dipshit. And for lying by saying that I had uploaded duplicate images when they were obviously semantically different. (And then making up shit about not being able to safely see the full version without a VPN. WTF??) And for saying that I had said that all Derpibooru users were retards, when that was patently false. (When I immediately debunked this, suddenly you had nothing more to say about it.) I have no idea how a sack of shit like you came into power, although, if the Derpibooru team is as hopelessly corrupt as it appears, I shouldn't be surprised. Frankly, I think you're probably a sociopath. You fit all the criteria. (Also, it's deeply hilarious that I don't even know if the initial wrongful deletion was done by Joey or not, in which case him being in any way involved with the initial "appeal" is hopelessly corrupt and inexcusable. And he said he was not involved with my banning from Derpibooru, but why would I trust someone who can't even participate in discussion in good faith and even tried to lie right to my face on a few occasions?) PS: Please explain how you were being excellent to me by repeatedly shitting on my entirely appropriate edit (that even byte[] admitted broke no rules). Again, the rules DO also apply to the Derpibooru team, don't they? You're just a fake site admin, Joey. Or at least that's what I understand from this: https://derpibooru.org/pages/staff So, have fun with this one, Joey. I'm always available if you want to further rhetorically humiliate yourself. That never seems to deter you. Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 18:42:40 +0200 Subject: Re: Wrongful deletion led to batshit insane situation and now I'm banned for 1000 years for no reason. From: The Smiling Pony To: Jean-Philippe Paradis , joey@derpibooru.org Cc: ops@derpibooru.org Let me put this in very simple terms for you: you are mentally retarded, which isn't usually a bad thing per se, but on top of that you're an asshole and completely delusional. This thing you're doing has been providing us with a fair amount of amusement, but ultimately it's rather sad because you're actually angry and believe you're in the right. In any case, you would best be spending your time elsewhere; I'm sure e621 or paheal or 4chan any number of other imageboards out there will appreciate your presence. We do not, except the laughs. You can respond to this however you wish, but just know that you'll just be giving us more free entertainment. Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 13:29:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Wrongful deletion led to batshit insane situation and now I'm banned for 1000 years for no reason. From: Jean-Philippe Paradis To: Alex Millican Cc: joey@derpibooru.org, ops@derpibooru.org I contacted ops@derpibooru.org seeking to confirm or disconfirm the notion that the Derpibooru team is completely corrupt, now that's that confirmed I believe I have nothing more to say to you. I'm sure I will be providing you quite a lot more entertainment, however. Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 13:31:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Wrongful deletion led to batshit insane situation and now I'm banned for 1000 years for no reason. From: Jean-Philippe Paradis To: Alex Millican Cc: joey@derpibooru.org, ops@derpibooru.org "now that it's confirmed" 😅 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 16:50:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Wrongful deletion led to batshit insane situation and now I'm banned for 1000 years for no reason. From: Jean-Philippe Paradis To: ops@derpibooru.org What's the actual reason for my 1000 years ban, btw? The "reason" given, "Too cringy even for derpi", is just meaningless nonsense, as is the "reason" for the deletion of my second image, "Stop being retarded", which is also meaningless nonsense. That's even worse than the "reason" given for the deletion of my first entirely appropriate image, which was "Rule #1/3", which as I have already extensively demonstrated makes no sense, especially Rule #3. (But I don't actively care about the deletions anymore.) (Also, it would be better if active bans (including reason) was listed on an affected user's profile. Complete lack of transparency encourages meaningless ban "reasons" like this.) I'm pretty much done with my "campaigns", I've already said what I needed to say, this 1000 years ban is completely retarded, go ahead and check my profile for 3 minutes (https://derpibooru.org/profiles/Hexstream) and you'll see that I'm actually an entirely decent user. I got shafted by your broken processes and policies and things went bad, that's all. Could we be excellent to each other now? Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 16:13:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Wrongful deletion led to batshit insane situation and now I'm banned for 1000 years for no reason. From: Joey To: Jean-Philippe Paradis , ops@derpibooru.org The reason for your ban is because you went on several long rants regarding a deleted image over the span of three days on our Discord server, re-uploaded a deleted image, and basically just took a minor issue way too far. Derpibooru is a private website, and we reserve the right to deny service to anyone, and to refuse to host any image, for any reason. If you don't like it, that's tough, but we choose not to host the image, and that's about the end of that. That being said, the reason we ban people is to get them to discontinue behavior that is counter to our community's best interests. The reason your ban is essentially a permaban is because you've given no indication that you'd stop your behavior. If you can assure us that your so-called "campaigns" truly are over, and that you'll be willing to stop complaining about the image deletion (rather it be on the site, Discord, email, etc), then I would be willing to discuss reconsidering your ban with the other admins. Ultimately, we don't want the kinda behavior you were exhibiting on the site. You can keep it off the site by choosing to discontinue said behavior, or we can keep it off the site via leaving the ban intact. That's up to you. Also, bans are shown on your profile if you're logged in, at the bottom of the page. Bans are only visible to the user they apply to and site staff, as we're not into public shaming or anything like that. Finally, per your suggestion, image deletions do trigger a notification to the uploader upon deletion. Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 19:23:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Wrongful deletion led to batshit insane situation and now I'm banned for 1000 years for no reason. From: Jean-Philippe Paradis To: joey@derpibooru.org Cc: ops@derpibooru.org Finally, this is only the second time I get a reasonable response in this entire affair. (The first time was with byte[].) "The reason for your ban is because you went on several long rants regarding a deleted image over the span of three days on our Discord server" Well, it could have been 3 minutes if the mistake had been immediately corrected, but heh, we won't go over this again, everything has already been said. I don't regret doing what I was ethically obligated to do in those 3 days, but that's now in the past. "re-uploaded a deleted image" Again, I already pointed out to you that this is incorrect, they were vastly semantically different images. I won't rub them in your face but they're easy to find. "Derpibooru is a private website, and we reserve the right to deny service to anyone, and to refuse to host any image, for any reason. If you don't like it, that's tough, but we choose not to host the image, and that's about the end of that." Your rules page at https://derpibooru.org/pages/rules gives an entirely different impression, which was one of the most major components of the conflict. I was assuming the "the rules apply to everyone and are absolute" model while everyone else was going with the "we do anything we want for any reason or no reason and there's nothing you can do" model. If it had been "Derpibooru is a private website and we do whatever" from the start, I wouldn't have bothered arguing much over what you call a "minor" issue. (Which is actually a minor issue according to the "Derpibooru is a private website" model, but a major one according to the "the rules are absolute" model.) "That being said, the reason we ban people is to get them to discontinue behavior that is counter to our community's best interests." That's about the weirdest thing you could say. All my rants were almost entirely motivated by the furtherment of the community's best interests. It wasn't just about trying to get one mistakenly deleted image restored. "The reason your ban is essentially a permaban is because you've given no indication that you'd stop your behavior." Don't you mean "you had given no indication"? My previous message gives ample assurances that I'm done with the (rightful!) arguing about the deletions. I was already pretty much done arguing by the time you banned me from the Discord for no reason... (Or for incorrectly understood reasons.) "If you can assure us that your so-called "campaigns" truly are over, and that you'll be willing to stop complaining about the image deletion (rather it be on the site, Discord, email, etc), then I would be willing to discuss reconsidering your ban with the other admins." I already assured you of that, see my previous message. The upload of my "second" image was also already the last thing I was about to do about the first deletion. The ban was completely unnecessary. "Bans are only visible to the user they apply to and site staff, as we're not into public shaming or anything like that." I bet if you added an option for users to show their ban length and reason publicly on their profile if they wish, many would use it, especially when the ban's length and "reason" make no sense. I also bet that ban lengths and reasons would also magically get slightly more reasonable. "Finally, per your suggestion, image deletions do trigger a notification to the uploader upon deletion." Yes, I saw this in the changelog a few days ago and that's super great! Thanks for acknowledging it. It's almost as if all that ranting wasn't entirely fruitless! It gives me hope for the future. (Don't worry, that won't lead to more hopeful ranting. ;P) I hope there aren't too many grating truths in this message, I did the best I could. For your consideration. ;P Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 19:23:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Wrongful deletion led to batshit insane situation and now I'm banned for 1000 years for no reason. From: Jean-Philippe Paradis To: joey@derpibooru.org Cc: ops@derpibooru.org It's been 10 days, is your computation on this matter still progressing significantly? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 01:05:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Wrongful deletion led to batshit insane situation and now I'm banned for 1000 years for no reason. From: Jean-Philippe Paradis To: joey@derpibooru.org Cc: ops@derpibooru.org Ah yes, the coma strategy. What a novel concept.