[Derpibooru Discord #support transcript starting at 1:59AM on 12 october 2018. https://derpibooru.org/pages/discord] Hexstream Yesterday at 1:59 AM I don't believe any of the reasons that were invoked for the immediate deletion of my upload () made any sense. I believe the (unknown) deleter made a mistake because they had insufficient context. I'm ready to calmly destroy any arguments. (I could do that proactively, but I don't want to spend days on this and I think the case is pretty clear-cut, as I hope you'll quickly find out.) If someone would rather restore the image than argue, that's fine too... One argument that was invoked is that the author might possibly not approve of this edit or something, I already mentioned that the author already left the fandom anyway but additionally, there are 299 images tagged censored AND edit on derpibooru () and from what the edit tag means we know it wasn't made by the original author, and surely, less than 100% of those 299 images have been or would have been approved by the author... Additionally, rule #1 was invoked with, basically, `Do not upload images that have been altered in a way that the artist may not appreciate.`, but the second part of that bullet point is `This may include (but is not limited to) removing an artist's signature and/or watermark, recoloring an image to insert or remove an OC, upscaling artwork, and fetish edits.` and I didn't do any of this... Proactively caring that much about the possible opinion of such an harmless edit from an author who left the fandom long ago seems a bit excessive. I care much more about the opinion of people who could see this image and upvote or downvote and care or not care about it... I just want to see how this fares, I think the users should be given an opportunity to form their own opinion about this... Additionally, of course, SmittyG/grumblepluck is not on any of the DNP lists on the site... As for the argument that the edit is not substantial enough, heh, do I really need to go scour through that list of 299 images to see if there's any pretty simple edits in there? Who else than me would have thought of combining the 2 particular images I did in the particular way I did? That's creativity... This certainly does not warrant immediate deletion. Let people judge for themselves if they care or not... I guess that's a pretty good summary. I'd really rather not obsess about this all week. I've been a member for only a week and I already fixed hundreds of broken or missing sources. Now I made 4 uploads and 50% of the 2 I actually put some work and creativity into was deleted for no reason. I think it would be entirely appropriate to right the wrong? Does rule #0 also apply to the Derpibooru team, btw? I would assume so? Heh, apparently there are 59 edits of SmittyG's work on the site. Can you certify that SmittyG either approved or would have approved of every single one of these edits? Do you really believe we should seek to hold ourselves to such a standard? Hexstream Yesterday at 2:46 AM Is this really "less ridiculous" than my edit? Heh. (I won't bore you with dozens of examples...) Anyway, have fun digesting this. Cya tomorrow. [Short unrelated discussion about comics tagging.] Hexstream Yesterday at 5:03 PM So it's been more than 12 hours, time to restore my wrongfully deleted upload?... Archonix (Site moderator) Yesterday at 5:24 PM that's a lot of assumptions to unpack Hexstream Yesterday at 6:24 PM None of the arguments advanced for its deletion stand up to scrutiny, as I demonstrated just above. I'm of course assuming that wrongful deletions should not be and won't be upheld for no reason. Zеь (Site moderator) Yesterday at 6:28 PM It was an edit just shoving twilight's head in front of some genitals. It got deleted. You're not in trouble for it having been deleted so you don't need to worry about that. But it's deleted and going to stay that way. That's really all there is to it. Hexstream Yesterday at 6:28 PM That's incorrect. It was shoving Pinkie's head in front of some genitals. Clearly you haven't carefully reviewed this case. The reasons given are #1 and #3, and both make no sense, as I demonstrated above. How in the hell is this "unrelated content"?? Zеь Yesterday at 6:31 PM The reasons listed don't change the fact it was deleted, and going to stay deleted. You can feel it's wrong. But it's still deleted, and that fact won't change. Hexstream Yesterday at 6:31 PM That's stupid. And that page says `contact us if you feel this was in error and we'll talk! We're only human, and mistakes happen.`. Clearly a mistake happened, as I demonstrated, I don't know why this is written if mistakes are never corrected anyway. Zеь Yesterday at 6:32 PM And you were talked to. But it was decided that the image remains deleted. Just because we'll discuss things doesn't mean we'll change our minds all the time. Hexstream Yesterday at 6:33 PM This case is clear-cut, though. It was a mistake, and it's easy to correct. I was "talked to", but none of the rationales advanced make sense. Zеь Yesterday at 6:34 PM We're sorry it doesn't seem to make sense. But It's how it is. There really isn't anything else to say about it. At this point we would just be going in circles. Hexstream Yesterday at 6:34 PM It's easy to break the circle, just restore the upload. The problem is not that it "doesn't seem" to make sense, the problem is that it makes no sense. I'm not even asking you to be sorry about it. Just fix the problem... I really hope you don't think restoring a demonstrably wrongfully deleted image would "set a bad precedent". Archonix Yesterday at 6:53 PM The image will not be restored. Hexstream Yesterday at 6:54 PM What's the point of having rules if nothing makes sense anyway? Archonix Yesterday at 6:54 PM The arguments you've advanced amount to your opinions, and while it may appear arbitrary, your opinions are trumped by our interpretation of the rules that we created for the site that we moderate. Hexstream Yesterday at 6:55 PM "Trumped" in what sense? In the "might makes right" sense? Archonix Yesterday at 6:55 PM In the sense that you have expressed an opinion on the matter and we have considered it. And subsequently rejected it. Hexstream Yesterday at 6:56 PM What's the point of having "rules" if at the end of the day you can make up "interpretations" that make no sense and leave it at that? Zеь Yesterday at 6:57 PM Rules are not an all-encompassing iron-clad will that can never be deviated from. Hexstream Yesterday at 6:57 PM It's particularly ridiculous that rule #3 was invoked on that image. So you're saying rules are being deviated from in this case? Zеь Yesterday at 6:58 PM If you can quote me saying that, you're welcome to. But I didn't say that. Hexstream Yesterday at 6:58 PM You implied it. Archonix Yesterday at 6:58 PM No, you inferred it. Zеь Yesterday at 6:58 PM Never assume implications. Hexstream Yesterday at 6:59 PM I find it interesting that you're acknowledging that rules can be "deviated from". Archonix Yesterday at 6:59 PM I've been married for e adecade. I can play the passive-aggressive game all day, but that doesn't get us anywhere. Rule 1 covers this just fine: it was a pointless edit that the original artist would more than likely have objected to. So it was removed. Hexstream Yesterday at 7:00 PM As I already said: ``` Heh, apparently there are 59 edits of SmittyG's work on the site. https://derpibooru.org/search?q=edit+AND+artist%3Agrumblepluck Can you certify that SmittyG either approved or would have approved of every single one of these edits? Do you really believe we should seek to hold ourselves to such a standard? ``` Archonix Yesterday at 7:00 PM Right Hexstream Yesterday at 7:01 PM As I also already said: `Is this really "less ridiculous" than my edit? Heh. https://derpibooru.org/897413 (I won't bore you with dozens of examples...)` Archonix Yesterday at 7:02 PM from the moment you started talking on this server, all you have done is demand that we conform to your vision for the world at large. You've compaline about how we handle bugs, how we handle reports, how we handle deletions and how we aren't restoring an image that is utterly pointless. Your entire interaction with the staff to date has been one long litany of rules-lawyering and complaint. Why should I listen? The image will not be restored. That is final. Hexstream Yesterday at 7:03 PM How are you being excellent to me right now? Archonix Yesterday at 7:05 PM You are demanding that we adjust our procedures to match your beliefs. Excellence has nothing to do with it. Hexstream Yesterday at 7:05 PM No, I am only asking that existing procedures be applied properly. Archonix Yesterday at 7:05 PM They have been. Hexstream Yesterday at 7:05 PM No. You could start by acknowledging that rule #3 makes literally no sense whatsoever in this case. Archonix Yesterday at 7:06 PM Rule 1 is the important rule here. Hexstream Yesterday at 7:06 PM And it makes no sense either. Archonix Yesterday at 7:06 PM The image will not be restored. No further argument on this topic will be considered. Hexstream Yesterday at 7:06 PM You've all just been assuming that an artist who left the fandom long ago would be fine with the previous 59 edits but not with this particular one. I seem to understand you have no consideration for users. Archonix Yesterday at 7:08 PM I have no consideration for users who think they can dictate how our site is run from the first interaction. You have your opinions. Hexstream Yesterday at 7:08 PM I've already had hundreds of interactions with the site. Archonix Yesterday at 7:08 PM We have considered your opinions. We have made a decision. The decision is final. Hexstream Yesterday at 7:09 PM The decision is unconscionable and untenable. The point about untenable positions is that nobody should try to hold them. Archonix Yesterday at 7:09 PM As I said, no further argument on this topic will be entertained. Hexstream Yesterday at 7:10 PM I certainly am not entertained right now. An unfortunate mistake has been made, and it's being repeatedly said that it will never be corrected, for no reason. Archonix Yesterday at 7:11 PM in simple words then stop talking about this, we are not going to restore the image we have followed our rules and procedures Hexstream Yesterday at 7:11 PM No. Again, the page says `We're only human, and mistakes happen`. And my image clearly breaked no rules. Misapplying the rules is not the same as applying them. Princess Luna (Nebbie) (Site developer, Site moderator) Yesterday at 7:52 PM There is a big grey fat no man's land on rules 1 and 3 in an ideal world it would be a simple clear line We hav the unenviable positions of trying to figure out which side of the borders things are on and your ideas on the matter simply do not count. Since the vast majority of us think it's over the line on one rule or the other, it stays deleted. That is all. Hexstream Yesterday at 7:56 PM There's a simple clear line here, my image clearly violated neither 1 nor 3, and especially not 3. I'm very interested in knowing who here thinks rule #3 applies to this image. I'm sorry but unless you're a telepath, I don't think you have any idea what "the vast majority of you" think, and I'd like to think "the vast majority of you" don't in fact endorse this rhetorical humiliation you've been gratuitously putting yourselves through. Zеь Yesterday at 7:59 PM You've been told multiple times. The image is not going to be restored. That is all. Hexstream Yesterday at 7:59 PM And you've been told multiple times that this makes no sense. Zеь Yesterday at 8:00 PM Fine. Believe we make no sense. That won't change the image's deletion. If it makes you happy you can believe we're hypocritical or unfair or unable to interpret our own rules as much as you want. But none of that will change the fact that the image is deleted. Hexstream Yesterday at 8:02 PM It always makes me happy to be ethical. Zеь Yesterday at 8:02 PM Alright then. byte[] (Site administrator, Site developer, finally someone sane) Yesterday at 8:44 PM I have thought about this conversation for a while and initially decided that anything I could say would just make it worse; then I actually realized how absurd that it is that it ended up the way that it did Hexstream Yesterday at 9:23 PM Right, all this just to not restore a wrongfully deleted upload. Unbelievable. This is getting in the way of me investing myself further into the site, and that's sad. Zеь Yesterday at 9:44 PM If you're that invested in a censoring edit, you need to rethink your priorities. spent hours focusing on it. Go do something fun instead. Hexstream Yesterday at 9:45 PM The insistence on upholding the mistake is what has been wasting everyone's time. Zеь Yesterday at 9:46 PM So we're in agreement this has been a massive waste of time. Good. Doesn't matter whose fault it is. Go do something you actually enjoy. Hexstream Yesterday at 9:46 PM It does matter whose fault it is, it's the faut of all those who continued to uphold the mistake even after it was demonstrated as being such. Zеь Yesterday at 9:46 PM That's fine. It doesn't change it being a waste of time. Go do soemthing you enjoy. Hexstream Yesterday at 9:47 PM I want to enjoy using Derpibooru, and I cannot do that in the present circumstances. Just because a stupid mistake is being upheld for no reason. Zеь Yesterday at 9:47 PM Then go do something you DO enjoy. If you're not having fun. You're just not having fun. Hexstream Yesterday at 9:48 PM And that's because a stupid mistake is being upheld for no reason. This can be fixed in 2 minutes or less. Zеь Yesterday at 9:48 PM You continuing this is only leading me to believe that this is what you find fun. Hexstream Yesterday at 9:48 PM Some humility may need to be involved, however. I find no fun in this. Zеь Yesterday at 9:48 PM Then go do somehting you DO find fun,. Stop focusing on an edit being deleted. Hexstream Yesterday at 9:49 PM This edit is important to me. Zеь Yesterday at 9:49 PM Then you need to re-think importance if photoshopping a head over a crotch is worth this many hours of your time. Hexstream Yesterday at 9:50 PM Doing that did not take hours. Zеь Yesterday at 9:51 PM Arguing about it is what's wasting hours of time. Hexstream Yesterday at 9:51 PM And I'm only ethically obligated to do that because the situation is insane and must be corrected. Zеь Yesterday at 9:51 PM Go do something you actually enjoy. SuperSupermario24 Yesterday at 9:54 PM ~~at this point i'm a little surprised you guys haven't just invoked rule #n and been done with it honestly~~ Hexstream Yesterday at 9:55 PM The only thing `unique or extraordinary` about this is upholding such a blatant mistake. Zеь Yesterday at 9:56 PM You're still doing this despite saying you don't enjoy it. Go do soemthing you do enjoy. Hexstream Yesterday at 9:56 PM I enjoy being ethical, even when it leads to miserable conversations like this. Zеь Yesterday at 9:57 PM Well I'm going to do something I do enjoy rather than repeat to you what you've been told well over 10 times already, and play some Octopath Traveler or something. Hexstream Yesterday at 9:57 PM That would certainly be more useful than what you've been doing here. SuperSupermario24 Yesterday at 9:58 PM personally, i genuinely fail to see how pasting a vector over an image to censor it does anything but detract from the image's quality Hexstream Yesterday at 9:58 PM I extensively explained the rationale in the image's description. ``` The "original version":/32723 is by SmittyG. The "Pinkie approved" part is ultimately from the show, I don't know who vectorized it. I made the "cropped, uncensored version":https://clop.ponies.hexstream.net/mares/solo/twilight-on-bed_cropped.png for the homepage to my "Classy Clop Collection":https://clop.ponies.hexstream.net/. I made *this* cropped, censored version for the homepage to "Hexstream Entertainment":https://www.hexstream.net/. I needed something evocative and appealing, but I felt a pussy was a bit too much since the above portal page is only one click away from "my global portal":https://abc.hexstream.xyz/. I also wanted a fun way to censor, not something lame or that evokes shock and disgust, as is often done. This is the result. Feel free to reuse! :) ``` I think we should let people see this image and form their own opinion about it, instead of belittling them. SuperSupermario24 Yesterday at 10:01 PM i guess i just don't see why you're so insistent on it being on derpibooru when there are other versions of it that are better in quality Moon Flower Yesterday at 10:01 PM This is going on since two days now. Both sides are set and won't change their opinion and it still goes on. I am very certain Mario read all this already. Upload it on imgur or something. Hexstream Yesterday at 10:01 PM I want to upload it on the best pony image site. SuperSupermario24 Yesterday at 10:02 PM from what i can gather, the rationale for removal is that it's a low-effort edit that adds absolutely nothing to the actual quality of the image, or really changes it in any meaningful way besides censoring it Hexstream Yesterday at 10:03 PM @SuperSupermario24 This image is "downgraded" from explicit to merely suggestive, which is more appropriate and useful in some contexts. SuperSupermario24 Yesterday at 10:03 PM there's already a non-explicit version of the image on the site Hexstream Yesterday at 10:03 PM I hate that other version. I thoroughly hate featureless crotches. There are plenty of "low-effort" edits on the site... Moon Flower Yesterday at 10:04 PM You can't always get what you want. Staff told you over and over again. At least half a dozen of them. It is annoying this channel keeps being spamed due to that topic. Hexstream Yesterday at 10:05 PM This entire conversation could have been killed right in the egg just by restoring the wrongfully deleted image. And it's still time to do that. SuperSupermario24 Yesterday at 10:05 PM i mean it's fine if you want to use it for your own purposes, i guess i just don't see why it's something that has to be on derpibooru when there's already both an explicit and non-explicit version available on derpibooru yeah i know you said you don't like the featureless version Hexstream Yesterday at 10:06 PM I don't understand why people are so insistent on trying to judge for others instead of letting them think for themselves. SuperSupermario24 Yesterday at 10:06 PM but like... i don't think that's reason in itself to insist on having a "censorship via random vector" image too Moon Flower Yesterday at 10:06 PM Just let it go, it won't change. If you hate featureless crotches, how can you enjoy the show? Hexstream Yesterday at 10:07 PM The show is not a particularly sexualized context... Moon Flower Yesterday at 10:08 PM I can't even ignore this talk because either I need to block staff or mute the channel and might miss informative stuff. Hexstream Yesterday at 10:09 PM Restoring the wrongfully deleted image would fix all this... SuperSupermario24 Yesterday at 10:09 PM i think it's been made clear that's not going to actually happen Hexstream Yesterday at 10:09 PM This can all have a happy ending, and it would take less than 2 minutes. SuperSupermario24 Yesterday at 10:09 PM no one else thinks it was wrongfully deleted Hexstream Yesterday at 10:09 PM I think it's been made clear this situation is insane and must be corrected. You presume to know what everyone thinks, I think that's cute but deeply misguided. SuperSupermario24 Yesterday at 10:10 PM ~~well i agree with you about this situation being insane, probably not for the same reasons though~~ byte[] Yesterday at 10:13 PM I'm inclined to agree that no rules were broken by the image [Reactions: Hexstream: :heart:] But time and again I have been overridden on these matters [Reactions: Hexstream: :scream:] I'll remove reactions from this channel iswtg SuperSupermario24 Yesterday at 10:14 PM alright i guess i was wrong about nobody else thinking it was wrongfully deleted [Reactions: Hexstream: :thumbsup:] Hexstream Yesterday at 10:14 PM Sorry, reactions are a great communication tool, though. byte[] Yesterday at 10:14 PM If you're seven, yes [Reactions: Gib: :cry:] Or play Fortnite [Reactions: Gib: :trixdisgust:] Hexstream Yesterday at 10:14 PM Or 32. [Reactions: Gib: :ok_hand: Gib: :clap:] Mikey (Site moderator) Yesterday at 10:15 PM I personally feel the image was harmless but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ SuperSupermario24 Yesterday at 10:15 PM gib please [Reactions: Gib: :thinking:] Moon Flower Yesterday at 10:15 PM I don't want to take any side but just that this talk stops or gets taken somewhere else. [Reactions: Gib: :arrow_up:] [Reactions get disabled] Hexstream Yesterday at 10:18 PM :scream: Mikey Yesterday at 10:19 PM but yeah, i agree it's best this conversation be taken elsewhere at least Hexstream Yesterday at 10:19 PM Or killed in the egg by restoring the image. ;P byte[] Yesterday at 10:20 PM Why taken elsewhere Hexstream Yesterday at 10:20 PM omg. :joy: byte[] Yesterday at 10:20 PM It is a support matter Hexstream Yesterday at 10:20 PM Damn, I officially love you! Gib Yesterday at 10:20 PM brakes Hexstream Yesterday at 10:20 PM I'm glad it's finally been firmly established that less than 100% of the Derpibooru team is out of their minds. ;P byte[] Yesterday at 10:21 PM I thought it already was Gib Yesterday at 10:21 PM ***>brakes*** Zеь Yesterday at 10:21 PM Naw. We're all totes out of our minds. Just in our own unique way~ Hexstream Yesterday at 10:21 PM Well, I had seen no conclusive evidence of it. I mean, I had had zero issues with the Derpibooru team before the wrongful deletion and its fallout. Moon Flower Yesterday at 10:25 PM I think a requirement for this job is to be not sane. Mikey Yesterday at 10:25 PM and drinking lots of drinking Moon Flower Yesterday at 10:25 PM gae fluids probably Hexstream Yesterday at 10:25 PM `I think a requirement for this job is to be not sane.` :arrow_left: And the entrance exam is agreeing with this premise? Mikey Yesterday at 10:26 PM nothing but the strongest liquor byte[] Yesterday at 10:28 PM You don't have to be sane to be logical but the traits are orthogonal to begin with Moon Flower Yesterday at 10:29 PM Why not asking gthe original artist? Either they will request take downs, or simply say no or don't care at all. Would be a plot twist if they request all their material to be deleted. Mikey Yesterday at 10:30 PM they're not active anymore Hexstream Yesterday at 10:30 PM SmittyG already wanted to nuke all his pony stuff eons ago, as far as I know. I don't know the details involving Derpibooru. I am definitely squarely against book burning, even when initiated by the original author. Moon Flower Yesterday at 10:31 PM Not active doesn't mean they don't care what happens with their old work. Some don't care, some want DNP, yet others want a complete wipe. Hexstream Yesterday at 10:33 PM There are 321 SmittyG related images on the site, I think we can afford at least another one... Moon Flower Yesterday at 10:33 PM It would bring this issue a step further, though, as you could be certain of one of the rules. Just save the stuff locally prior asking, I guess. Hexstream Yesterday at 10:34 PM I don't think systematically proactively seeking the opinions of artists concerning derivatives of their work would be very productive... I'm definitely more of a "forgiveness" guy than a "permission" guy. Moon Flower Yesterday at 10:35 PM I wouldn't be happy if people would alter my stuff out of the blue. But everyone's different. Hexstream Yesterday at 10:36 PM I would be very sad if people did not make fun derivatives of my work just because they incorrectly (edit: or even correctly) think I might not like it. Moon Flower Yesterday at 10:36 PM That's why I even made the proposal to ask them how their past should be handled on DB. Hexstream Yesterday at 10:37 PM Again, there are already 59 SmittyG edits on the site. I think we can afford a 60th. Moon Flower Yesterday at 10:38 PM Again, ask him, if he says no, wipe all derivatives. Hexstream Yesterday at 10:38 PM SmittyG left the fandom long ago, I don't see how seeking his opinion on his old stuff would be useful. He does not want to be involved with the fandom. Moon Flower Yesterday at 10:38 PM Well, then he might say wipe all 321. byte[] Yesterday at 10:38 PM Please stop wasting my time having to read these messages Hexstream Yesterday at 10:38 PM Better not ask him, then. ;P byte[] Yesterday at 10:39 PM This isn't relevant to the deletion Hexstream Yesterday at 10:39 PM Right, sorry. Hexstream Yesterday at 10:56 PM I'm not a big fan of emotional arguments, but one thing I haven't mentioned yet is that I'm a big fan of SmittyG, he's one of my favorite artists, and I hope it's obvious I meant to honor him by featuring his work as the first image on both `clop.ponies.hexstream.net` and `www.hexstream.net`. A while back I had the uncensored version of this image as my desktop background for months. And I think I was successful in making a tasteful and "interesting" censored version of it for my specific purpose (as I described in the image description), despite deeply hating censorship generally. And now I'd love to share this with others on the best pony image site. So when people shit on this edit as meaningless or even harmful, I find that unfortunate. And also disrespectful to the site's users, who should be allowed to see this image and think for themselves if they like it or not. byte[] Yesterday at 11:05 PM This channel is not really about your or anyone else's particular emotional appeal It's about policy and process Hexstream Yesterday at 11:05 PM Process has been bungled in this instance. byte[] Yesterday at 11:06 PM The amount of words you are writing is severely in excess to rectifying the issue Hexstream Yesterday at 11:08 PM Fundamentally, all the arguing is coming from the initial wrongful deletion and its continuous upholding. It doesn't help that some people publicly committed themselves to never fixing this blatant issue no matter what. Now there's no way to resolve this situation while keeping everyone's ego intact. But I still suggest we fix this. byte[] Yesterday at 11:19 PM I really don't know how I can make this any clearer Stop obsessing over this issue Writing dozens of paragraphs of text will not make a shred of difference You can be persistent without being obsessive And that is not the case here Hexstream Yesterday at 11:20 PM I'm an obsessive bipolar, unfortunately I cannot be not obsessive. byte[] Yesterday at 11:20 PM So seriously please shut up unless you have a different issue Hexstream Yesterday at 11:21 PM This is the only issue I have, and it is preventing me from interacting normally with the site. byte[] Yesterday at 11:21 PM Then don't interact with the site until its resolution Hexstream Yesterday at 11:21 PM That doesn't seem likely to help, since I was assured by multiple people that this will never be resolved. Joey (Site administrator, Site developer) Yesterday at 11:22 PM There's a difference between an issue being resolved and an issue being resolved to your satisfaction Hexstream Yesterday at 11:22 PM This issue definitely has not been resolved. byte[] Yesterday at 11:22 PM The state of this is certainly not to my satisfaction One because this has disrupted the normal operation of this channel with diatribes about the incorrectness of the deletion Joey Yesterday at 11:23 PM This issue is resolved. You're not satisfied with the resolution. I'm sorry you feel that way, but ultimately, there is no further action that can be taken to this matter. The deletion has been upheld by two admins, a senior moderator, and at least one regular moderator byte[] Yesterday at 11:23 PM And two because I am not satisfied with that, it is legitimately inconsistent But you would be best advised to drop the matter Seeing as it will not change Despite whatever my opinion may be, should I find that you cannot bring yourself to drop the issue I will have no qualms removing your ability to post in this channel You have demonstrated an utter inability to control yourself Hexstream Yesterday at 11:27 PM Or an utter inability to be a meek little sheep in the face of an insane situation, perhaps. The image deletion process is thoroughly lacking in transparency and that unfortunately encourages wrongful deletions like this. Anyway, I've said what I needed to say.